Louis Venti

Interviewed: September 8, 1982
Interviewer: William Baily

New Perspectives in Concord's History

I live at 11 Elsinore Street and was born and brought up in the house that I live in.  My father bought this house and all the family has been raised here.

My grandfather Bernardo Venti came to this country in 1884, and he worked  for a contractor that was puttinq in the sewer pipes in Concord.   There was a group of Italian men that were heading for Argentina and by mishap landed in Boston and settled there. The contractor  recruited the Italians in Boston to come to Concord on this  job and my father, Giuseppi, happened to be one of them. They  lived in little shacks down on Lowell Road.  It was the hard times because  they didn't get much pay.

My  grandfather stayed here for a while and then went back to Italy.  On  his return he brought my father, who was ten years old. He served  as the errand boy and did the cooking for these Italian men.  They weren't  too welcomed because they were foreigners at that time.   They had to stay by themselves because they didn't know the language  to get along with other people.  My father stayed here  for a few years and then he went back to Italy and served in the  army there for two years.  He came back here and settled in Concord  even though his ties were in Boston, where he met my mother.

They were married  in the North Square church, Sacred Heart, which is still there  across from the Paul Revere house, in 1903. They moved to Concord and were living  over by the tracks, but later he was able  to buy a house from the Blanchard estate.  The Blanchards were  from the Nashawtuc Hill area and a lumber company family.  And most of my  family were born right here in this house that I live  in today.  Dr. Titcomb performed all the births around here at that time.  My mother was  Dr. Titcomb's midwife for all the Italian  families around here.

I was born  in 1918 which was the flu epidemic year.  My aunt and uncle and one of  their boys died and my mother and father took in the rest of their  family so that at one time there thirteen of

us in this house.   My mother's name was Theresa DiCicco, and there were six of us  in our family and the rest were cousins.

All of our  family except for my brother, Ricco, went through the school system  and graduated.  My father worked for the water department and  Ricco went to work there after two years of high school.  I even worked  as a water boy in high school for the water department.   In all to this day with the fourth generation, we have over  125 years of labor for the town of Concord if you add us all up.

I went  to school in Concord through the first year of high school.  Then  I decided I wanted to be a priest and went with the Stigmatine  Fathers in Waltham.  I had my high school and college education there,  and I left after the first year of theology.  At that time I decided  it wasn't my vocation, and my parents accepted it even though  Italian families were very proud to have someone become a priest.   I got a job with the Andy Boy products, and then I met my wife,  and we have lived here ever since.

My brothers and  sisters all stayed in Concord, also.  My cousins that my mother  took in went to various families in Concord.  There were some very nice people  here such as Mrs. Victoria Wood, whose husband owned the  coal company in Concord, and she took one girl; Mrs. Towle, whose  husband was president of a bank, she took another girl; my mother kept one  girl here, one of the boys went into the service, and another  boy lived next door in Mrs. Ida O'Brien's house.  The families were very  good because they knew there was a tragedy with the  1918 flu and they knew the Italians didn't have much and they needed domestic  help.  So it helped everyone.

...What makes Concord so appealing and gives many  of the people I've talked with a happy feeling about being  raised in the town?

I think it was because the atmosphere between  the various ethnic groups was really one group.  You had  the Norwegians, Italians, French, Irish, and we all seemed  to get along, especially in this area around the depot where I have always  lived.  I think it was because we were all the same class.   I will have to say there were some people who didn't want  to associate with the lower classes.  But all of us here got along  as one and helped each other.  My best  friend was a Yankee.

We got together  from different sections such as Heronville,
which is Willow  Street and Fielding Street and Thoreau Street, and
Hubbardville, on  Sudbury Road going toward Route 2, and Bedford Street, East Quarter, which  is down Lexington Road, and the Monument Street group, which took  in Monument Street and Lowell Road.  These different groups  formed a baseball league, and it helped all the young  fellows. Two of  the finest men around were Father Sears of St. Bernard's and Minister  Daniels, of the Unitarian Church, and  they formed these leagues including the Asparagus League.  We  used to play at the Emerson playground, and the place would be  jammed. This would  be around the 1920's and 1930's.  Father  Sears is still living up on Plum Island and is in his eighties.  The  last time I saw him was earlier this year at my sister, Tillie's  funeral.

When we were young, up at the end  of Elsinore Street was the fairgrounds.  We used to call  it the cattle show grounds.  They had everything up there, races, shows.  The  land was owned by the insurance company of which Judge Prescott  Keyes was the head person.  Judge Keyes was very strict but very  kind.  He was a man that really looked to the lower class people  to help them out.  If you had any problems, you could go to Judge  Keyes.  I remember father going to him one time and he helped him out.

One instance I can tell you involves  the paint shop of Hub Neeley's that used to be where Wilson Lumber  is now.  Hub would paint wagons and carriages and there was  also the McGann blacksmith shop.  When we were real young at Halloween, we  used to take the wagons and take them up the street and  ride down the hill with them.  We got caught a couple of times,  and we went to Judge Keyes and he really reprimanded us and then we would go home and get double the amount he gave.  He wouldn't put  you on probation, he would just give us a good whack and  tell our father and then we would go home and get double that amount.

We had  Mr. Varley and Mr. Craig who were about the first policemen  in Concord, and we were really scared of them because if we ever got out  of line, in those days they wouldn't hesitate to give you a good  boot or hit you, and then tell your father and you got double when  you got home.  But they were very nice people and we really respected  them a lot.

My family was  a very religious family.  We attended St. Bernard's.   The hard part of it was when we were small we had Sunday School  on a Sunday afternoon.  That really spoiled the afternoon  for us.  Every time we would go we would ask our mother for a nickel  and that nickel would go a long way.  We would always stop at John  Bart's store.  He was John Bartelomeo but we always called him John  Bart.  His store was on Thoreau Street where the liquor store  is now across from the depot.  We would go in there and buy a lot of penny candy and  then go to church in the afternoon.

Every evening  from when I was a little kid about six or seven years old, the depot  steps and John Bart's steps would be loaded with all of us  kids. We would  just go over there, and sit and chat.  There might be  some horsing around but we wouldn't be destructive or anything.  We would  chew the fat there until it got dark and then once the street lights  came on, everyone would disperse.  It was an old  tradition.

When I got  into eighth grade we got to know all the other kids from Fairhaven Hill or Nashawtuc Hill.  One of our  very best friends was Henry Thompson, who just retired  from the Concord Cooperative Bank.  He was very friendly with  all the fellows in back of the depot and Hubbardville.  Another  one who was very friendly was Fred Edgarton whose family lived on  Nashawtuc Hill. They were very nice people; we always used  to chum around with them.  A lot of the so called Yankees were very  close and a lot of them kept their distance.

...How did you feel the bigotry of those  people that didn't want to associate with you?

You noticed it more on a Sunday when you were going  to church and they were going to church, they sort of looked down  on you. They  wouldn't say anything but they might sneer or something like that.   But not all of them.  It's just like today when people say the  kids are bad, there's really only a small percentage that are bad.   And that's what everybody looks at that small percentage. It was  the same in those days.  Maybe we all looked at the small percentage  but the majority of them were good.

In politics it was really noticed.  You couldn't get anything  in here in this town unless you were a Republican.  The majority of  Italians if you look back are Republicans because their bosses were Republicans and they would say "If you want anything, you have to  join the Republicans."  That's why my father was a Republican.  I  really think that was true of other Italians in Concord.  That's  why I'm a Republican to be honest with you because my father was.  That's how I got into politics at the time.  I was Otis Whitney's  aide.  I was with him and helped him a lot but I didn't want  anything from him.  I didn't want any political position or anything.  I was satisfied where I was.

The  Irish were predominantly Democrats.  They weren't influenced like  the Italians.

The  first Italian selectman as far as I can make out is John Marabello, the  present selectman.  It was a decision that we made at St. Bernard's  Church.  John said to me, "Lou, I hear you're going to run for  selectman," and I said, "John, I hear you're going to run," and he said, "Well, one of us,"  so I said, "You run and I'll be your chairman."   So I was his chairman and I got a good crowd together, and  thanks to the crowd and the townspeople they elected John.

... People were well aware that Jim Nagle was the first Irishman elected as  selectman in 1922 and felt it was a real milestone, do you feel people were aware  that John Marabello was the first Italian and was  there talk among other Italians about it?

I don't think people really made  anything big about it.  They may have made a comment about being the  first Italian but didn't dwell on it.

I know when Ed Sheehan was elected  as the second Irishman as selectman, there used to be a little bigotry  there because all the catholics  would say that we had to keep at least one catholic in there  and Ed was in there for years.  But at that time the talk was about  the religion part of it, being a catholic and a selectman among  all the Yankees.

...A lot of people have said that there were not really ethnic differences  in Concord over the years, but the division has been religious,  that it has been for a number of years even into the fifties  and that it has been only in the last fifteen or twenty years that  that has died down.  Do you feel that is true?

When  we were kids, we used to be called the Cats and things like  that.  But we just went along with it.  They sort of went on the other  side of the street when we were going to church and things  like that.

Cardinal  Cushing wanted to put a school in Concord.  Jim Powers was  the instigator in trying to get the property where Rose Hawthorne  is now.  Mrs. Pratt owned the property, I don't know which Pratt  it was, (Jessica) but there was a big house where the convent building  is now.  There was also a little house in which Mrs. Irwin  lived and that was moved over behind the state armory. Mrs. Irwin could  live there for the rest of her life.  When that school was built,  the catholics had a hard time supporting it, and there were a  lot of good catholics that supported it and went out hard working  for it.  The protestants at that time resented the school being right  in the center.  Not all of them because there were two or three  families that did send their children to Rose Hawthorne School.  But the majority of  them resented getting that property.  But as the years went on,  they saw how that school was functioning and they accepted  it. And  they accepted the sisters. When the sisters first came, they didn't  accept them at all.  At the end there were guite a few protestants  that went to the school.

There was a woman that lived on Main  Street right across from the main office of Concord Academy and she had  a big religious picture.  Even though she was protestant,  she said there was no way anybody would get that picture but St. Bernard's  rectory, and she
gave it to Monsignor York.  I don't know where  that picture is today, probably still down at the rectory.

Also,  behind St. Bernard's there was a lady that lived in a big white  house, and we wanted to buy the property to enlarge the church.   At the time Monsignor York had a statue of the blessed virgin  there and the lady always loved it.  She said she would only sell her  property to the catholic church, and that's where the parking  lot is today.  She was also protestant.

So  the differences broke down after a while, but when we were kids  it was really rough.  It wasn't the ethnic groups, it was the religion, catholics and protestants.

When  we were kids, we had the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts but we couldn't  join the Boy Scouts because the catholics didn't have the Boy  Scout troops at that time.  Father Ryan gave an awful big lecture because  some of the kids joined the Boy Scouts and they met in the protestant  church.  Peanut Macone joined and he really got chewed out but  he stuck to it.  I joined the Sea Scouts and we met at the Trinity  Church, and I caught hell too.  I had to get out because the  priest really laid into me.  This would have been between  1925 and 1930.

The churches  these days are much more relaxed and there seems to be no differences  between them.  The ecumenical council helped that.  You don't  hear that now, that someone is a protestant or a catholic.

...Do you see  that in your own son in talking about high school days and  so on?

My brother married  a protestant girl and it wasn't even mentioned.  My  sister also married a protestant fellow and it wasn't even mentioned  and they've each been married 37 and 40 years.

...Was that any concern from your mother and father?

It was a concern to my mother, but she got over it.  While my brother was going  with my sister-in-law, it was a ticklish situation but once  they said they were going to get married, my mother couldn't  do enough for her.

My son-in-law  is also a protestant and you couldn't find a nicer guy.

...What kinds of hopes did you  have raising your kids in Concord?  Did you have expectations,  in terms of them settling down here?

My daughter  and son went to Rose Hawthorne.  My son went to eighth grade and then  to Concord High, but my daughter went all the way through.  My daughter  then went to Emory to become a court stenographer and  to this day she is still using it.  I was wishing she would settle  in the vicinity here, but after going to Washington to work  for the CIA, she met her husband, who was from Hudson, and they moved up here  to Maynard.

My son graduated  from Concord High and went into the Marines, and he now works for  the road department.  That's why I say our family has so many years  in the town of Concord.  My grandfather, father, brother, son and  nephew all worked for or now work for the town.  I think I've got  the most years of them all.

But I'm proud of being  in Concord and working for Concord because I like Concord.  The only time  I was away was when I went to Niagara University for  two years, but I came back.  Good ole Concord!

 

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